Masks

Ignatz said:
a FFP 2 mask protects Mouth and nose and has about 95 % protection,
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True but how many people are using this type of mask in the US and fitted correctly ?
Most people are using a cheap cloth mask or bandana which is virtually useless against the small particles of this virus as it was shown in that study I mentioned earlier
 
some mask help more, some less. the only question is: do you want to protect OTHERS, because you do not know, if you are infected or not.
I dont wear a mask, when i ride my bike, meet my friends (now up to 20), meet my family, etc. i keep distance, have a corona app.
only shopping, great crowds, bus, train etc. you have to wear a mask. Is that a problem ?
in my town we got the daily new infections per 100,000 down from 70 to 2 now, but the Party is not over.
every nation has to decide, which way to go. In my opinion herd immunity is the wrong way and costs a lot of lives, which is absolutely avoidable. And you also don´t know if it will work because the virus mutates permanent like the "normal" Corona viruses, which cause every autumn and winter a "cold" by a new mutation and also you need a new vaccine. Around the world they are looking for a vaccine or therapeuticum and latest news say it will be available next year. promising tests are already running. That´s why we stop the virus as much as possible.
i really don´t know where the problem is: a lockdown for a certain time and then reopen step by step, always looking for hotspots which is only possible if there are not too many of them. Saves thousands of lives.
You can do that or not.
 
Ignatz said:
I dont wear a mask, when i ride my bike, meet my friends (now up to 20), meet my family, etc.
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Why not ?
Don't you want to protect OTHERS ?
How do you know your friends are not carriers or have been somwhere with other friends where they may have picked up the virus ?
 
status1 said:
Why not ?
Don't you want to protect OTHERS ?
How do you know your friends are not carriers or have been somwhere with other friends where they may have picked up the virus ?
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Per CDC guidelines, masks should be worn in public when social-distancing isn't possible. This is pretty straightforward and simple to adhere to. I mentioned seat belt laws earlier. There was outcry then, as now, over civil liberties when they went into effect. Do you question that policy today?
 
risk is managable when rates are low !
in my town (600,000) there are 14 known infections at the moment. Many have a corona warn app.
 
Marcas said:
there is no medical reasons for what is happening
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2,795,111 infected, 57,683 new infections yesterday, 129,437 deaths and no medical reason ?
infected should stay at home, can´t go to work, can´t spend money outside the home, might get jobless and of course may infect some more people.
ever looked at the hospitals ? still no medical reason ?
how far from reality is that ?
 
JoeA said:
Per CDC guidelines, masks should be worn in public when social-distancing isn't possible
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That would be great if that was the case but unfortunately some states take it even further just by dropping or negelecting to include the last part "when social-distancing isn't possible" therefore forcing people to wear the mask even when social distancing IS possible
Basically saying anytime you are in public you must wear a mask which is mainly what I am objecting here
 
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Ignatz said:
risk is managable when rates are low !
in my town (600,000) there are 14 known infections at the moment. Many have a corona warn app.
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Would you mind answering a hypothetical question ?
Assume that there was a spike in new cases of 10K or more in Italy or some other nearby country where you live and because of that your government orders to close all dine in restaurants in your country
How would you feel about that decision ?
Would you say that it was a smart decision ?
 
there are nations who have discipline in wearing mask and oh wonder have low rates.
And some not and oh wonder have rates up through the roof.
You can discuss every single situation for months or you try to get the numbers low.
If you dont want to loose the fight against Covid you should start asap
 
status1 said:
Would you mind answering a hypothetical question ?
Assume that there was a spike in new cases of 10K or more in Italy or some other nearby country where you live and because of that your government orders to close all dine in restaurants in your country
How would you feel about that decision ?
Would you say that it was a smart decision ?
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there are competent people from economics, medicine, Virologist. they all tell their opinion and politics decision is based on that. And if they say it is adviceable to do so for a while then of course i will agree. Don´t feel comfortable then but it´s only for a while.
I am really glad to have such competent specialists in each subject area and they also explain their point of view. And politics follow most of their advice.
as the virus was a new one there were some wrong decisions at the beginning but the scientific research got more infos and also sometimes changed their appraisal. that´s normal procedure. And sometimes they say: we don´t know yet, but we have to be careful.
But what they didn´t do is telling nonsense like: it´s just a flu, it will vanish in april, etc.
 
by the way:
during Lockdown it was still allowed to go to work. But some companies stopped production NOT because of the virus but of missing demand or missing supplies!
A Lockdown doesn´t mean a complete stop of production or economical activity. Others still tell horror stories or scenarios. Doesn´t fit the reality
 
Ignatz said:
during Lockdown it was still allowed to go to work. But some companies stopped production NOT because of the virus but of missing demand or missing supplies!
A Lockdown doesn´t mean a complete stop of production or economical activity
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Unfortunately that is not what happened here
Everything was locked down unless you are considered esential worker
 
status1 said:
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Ignatz said:
a FFP 2 mask protects Mouth and nose and has about 95 % protection,
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True
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Not quite. It is form category of so called 'half truths'

FFP 2 is equivalent of N95.
Indeed this type of mask have 95% effectiveness but this number relates to aerosols. For example painter using spay-gun should wear FFP2 as a minimum. The same for farmers spraying pesticides and other chemicals on your food. In the same fashion those masks are good protection from illnesses which spread via droplets. If you are coughing and sneezing but have to do shopping or go to bank N95 is a good idea but simple hand covering mouth also works.

For non aerosols those masks works ok if particles we are dealing with are big. For example workers cutting stones should wear mask to protect their lungs. Masks also stop (not precise word) some bacteria. For viruses they are ineffective because size of any virus is much, much smaller than mask's pours.

Masks can be worn for short period of time, definitely not all day long. If anybody spray paint full time, he should wear proper respirator with replaceable filters and electric fan providing sufficient ventilation, rather than changing mask every hour.

If a coughing person uses a mask he should not reuse it. I hope I don't have to explain. Viruses that resides on mask surface can penetrate mask in either direction after fluids dries out. Of course, this applies not only to COVID but all other pathogens. By reusing masks people are putting cultures of bacteria in front of their faces (assuming that they are seek).

Many studies focus on aerosol blocking performance of FFP2 are nothing more than expensive quality control procedures. Implying that FFP 2 is 95% effective in COVID protection is false. I bet you can find many studies how save Roundup is.

95% number applies to new and fitted mask (I assume we understand what 'fitted' means). People should know basic facts about masks understand what they can do and what can't, including dangers of using them, to decide for themselves and not be forced by Karens or clueless 'health officials'. Those in US who pay attention know examples of nonsense orders that are issued around here. People should be encouraged to wear masks in some cases but not forced to do so. Yesterday I noticed pregnant women walking with masks on - outside, in full sun...

One more practical advice. Don't wear mask when trading, it clogs your thinking.
 
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Gentlemen, I know I'm perceived as annoying by some of you. Maybe so, but I only attempt to reason without selfish motives (well, I do enloy good debates). Because I elect to stay relatively anonymous, there are attempts to discredit what I say simply because I (allegedly) don't have MD or am not professional health official. Unfortunately our societies are primed to prefer media, officials and experts over the truth, and are not used to applying common sense aka critical thinking. I don't see much progress made in our conversation and do not see sense to continue it any longer.

I just found recording of someone who is both MD and health official. She explains how things are with COVID-19 in simple language that everybody can understand. She also speaks slowly, so everyone, who can hold attention for 15 min, can understand what she is saying. Video contains most of what I tried to convey here. Unsuccessfully.

Please, if you are really interested in this subject, listen carefully. I have nothing else to add.
The only thing I may suggest is to do it rather sooner than later, because thee is high prob. that later you won't be able to access link for some technical reasons - as it happened many times before.


Again, thanks everybody for their voices.
Feel free to comment on video (I wonder reactions).
Now, I can resume trading.

Have a great day.
 
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New company policy
It is now mandatory to wear a mask when you are in the bathroom
Not because it makes sense but because one guy complained and the company has to make everyone comfortable in the bathroom

I guess the batroom stall is not good enough to stop the virus The virus can go through the steel but not through the mask WOW that is smart I never knew that
Also the social distancing by blocking every other urinal is not enough you still have to wear the mask

Never mind that people are sitting across eachother face to face in the cafteria at lunch time and talking to eachother without a mask that is ok as long as you wear the mask in the bathroom you are 100% safe
 
well, a lot of people trusted their own immune system as recommended.
Some of them you can visit at Hart Island, New York City and many followed all around the world.
 
I found a new interactive chart

You can check each country or worldwide and also each state in the US
You can check the death rate and new cases separately
For the US it shows that while there is an increase in cases the death rate is going down while worldwide is holding steady although at a high level
 
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