Masks

Curtis

Trading Group Leader
Trading Group Leader
I am baffled by the resistance to wearing masks. If you a 30-year old guy and you test positive, you get the flu. I'm 70; I get the flu, I die. Please wear a mask for me. And by the way, how do the naysayers know they're infected? A lot of people have the virus but don't develop symptoms. Someone you know has the virus, and you invite them over for dinner. A week later they test positive. They didn't wear a mask inside your house, and everybody in your home gets sick. It happens all the time, and it's the reason America is the #1 most Covid19 infected nation on earth. Our leadership has erected a shrine to ignorance, and we are paying a horrible price.
 
Someone you know has the virus, and you invite them over for dinner

That's the first mistake
You don't invite someone to diner who has the virus
Perhaps you meant someone you know who don't know they have the virus
Still a mistake
You don't invite anyone to diner if you want to be safe

Mistake number 2
You wrongly assume that if they were wearing the mask averyone would have been safe
Perhaps if they were wearing an N95 mask that was well fitted and did not eat or drink anything but than it's no longer a dinner invitation if you don't eat or drink anything If all you wanted just to talk you could have done that on the phone or video chat

Our leadership has erected a shrine to ignorance, and we are paying a horrible price
Yes ignorance of the facts
Most people believe what they are told assuming the leaders have all the facts and data to proove their actions
If they tell people to keep your distance of 6 ft and should wear the mask if you cannot social distance I believe (my opinion) that is where the problem is
People wrongly assume that if you wear any kind of cheap mask mask than you are somehow safe It doesn't matter what it is as long as people see you have something on your face they assume you are safe to get close to
They could be wearing a bandana over their nose which keeps the lower part of their face completely open
That is what one of the so called "leaders" said and that is why we are paying a horrible price
 
That's the first mistake
...

Mistake number 2
...

Yes ignorance of the facts
...

You're writing a lot of words, but I still can't pull anything salient away from your replies. There's a lot of complexity being injected into the thread that's wholly unnecessary. To me, it's like dragging a stick across the bottom of a stream to muddy the waters.


The Facts:

1) COVID-19 spreads from P2P via oral/nasal droplets, and has an R0 > 2.
2) Face coverings, regardless of efficacy, can reduce the probability of spreading the virus because fabrics can catch droplets/large-enough particles.


There's no intuitive/ethical defense for not wearing a mask in public when social distancing isn't possible. Taking the role of Devil's Advocate in this discussion leads nowhere - the goal becomes simply to tie your opponent in knots. It's a popular strategy that's used by many republicans in the States.
 
2) Face coverings, regardless of efficacy

Exactly my point
It's not even called a mask anymore it's "Face covering" now to blure the line even further
Leave your mouth open but make sure you cover the face because that is where the virus comes in

regardless of efficacy
So as long as it has 0 to1% efficacy that is good enough to stop the virus ?
If that makes you feel better go ahead and use the mask just don't think that you can fool the virus with that

I am not saying that no one should use the mask
I am saying it's better to distance than to rely on a cheap mask
If you cannot social distance and need to wear a mask wear an N95 that is fitted properly and dont take it off and put it back on
 
the truth is: if only some wear masks and others not you will NOT stop the virus, especially if you already have a huge number of infections.
3.035.231 US are infected now. Wait for deaths going up dramatically in about 4-6 weeks.
Sad but true.
 
ok, again: a lot of poeple wear a cheap mask and often not only one time.
The result ?
new infections in Europe are pretty low although there are some hotspots, Spain, Germany, Austria etc.
But as soon as there is a hotspot known then quarantine, regional lockdown for certain time etc.
It´s all manageable if numbers are alreardy low and IF YOU WANT.
 
new infections in Europe are pretty low although there are some hotspots, Spain, Germany, Austria etc
What ? new infections ? hotspots ? How is that possible when everyone is wearing the mask ? I thought that was the answer to stop the virus

But as soon as there is a hotspot known then quarantine, regional lockdown for certain time etc

That makes more sense. Basically social distancing. After 6 ft it doesn't matter how far you are.

Staying away from people is more effective than forcing people to wear a cheap mask and let them do what they want making them feel like they are safe if they just wear the mask
 
 
Andrew, posting links without any comment makes little sense. It is hard to understand what point you try to make. I know it is obvious to you, but not necessary to readers. Do you want to show that CDC recommends masks? Do you want to say that because CDC recommends masks, then it proves that masks do prevent virus from spreading? Or maybe just want to inform about this CDC explanation. Or maybe intention of posting link was completely different.

I looked at study linked by CDC. It is a joke - joke as a virus related study but ok for high school project.
As said, I try to refrain from participation in this topic, but, please, be more specific with your posts.
 
"(CDC) recommended " is not the same as Mandatory
"droplets can infect you through your mouth, nose, or eyes" how come no eye patch then ?
"For the non-infected person, wearing masks protects their mouth and nose, preventing the virus from ever getting in" Really ?
What about the eyes that was mentioned earlier ? That's not a problem anymore ?
"there is little data about whether the suspended droplets are infectious " Really ? so what is the point if you have no data ?
"Researchers found that 3 of 10 (30%) of the respiratory droplet samples and 4 of 10 (40%) of the aerosol samples from those who weren’t wearing the masks contained SARS-CoV-2 " So I am supposed to belive that someone has counted and examined each of those 10 droplets one by one and only found 3 or 4 that have the virus and this is why we must use the mask ? So that means that 6 or 7 of those do not contain any virus if I understand that correctly
"it is critical to make sure it is worn correctly and that the nose and mouth are covered in order to maximize protection and reduce exposure to others " sure but how many people actually do that ?
"Currently, the CDC states that N95 respirators are not for use by the general public" sure because we would not want the healthcare workers to use those cheap masks and get infected
"If you own surgical masks, it is important to note that they are designed for one-time use " I have seen many people puting them on and off all day
"In brief, you can wash cloth face coverings like regular laundry " How many people do you believe are actually doing that ?
Are they doing laundry every day just to wash the mask ? I doubt it
"Wearing a mask reduces your risk of infection and the risk you transmit the virus to others " The key word there is "reduce"
as oppsed to " While N95 respirators are the most effective at preventing transmission " Key word there "preventing"
There is a big difference between reduce and prevent
Mathematical models also confirm the impact wearing masks has in slowing the spread of the virus at the population level
Here we go again with the models How many time you have to be proven wrong before you stop believing in models ?
Notice another word there "slowing the spread" as opposed to stopping the spread
"The evidence is clear: " Really what evidence ? I have not seen any real evidence here
 
anybody interested in a point of view from a NON US economist ?

it´s all like Frank Zappa already said: shut up and play your guitar... could be adapted to masks ? :cool:
or IF (!) you might have a "leader" :shut up and do your job.
 
the german hospital in Hamburg UKE: Corona also infects the heart and may damage it in the long term, still testing and researching...
 
Ignatz, you are news driven.
Here is one for you.

People are really getting sick, even perfectly healthy ones:
sickinbed.png
This one is a doctor - it happens.

Battle with virus in his words:
words.png

It appears there was whole drama developed around this, so people could follow. That's understandable, media do those type of things all the time, nothing unusual. Seems he was a heatedly man who contracted corona and was hit hard. Odds are very low, but it is not impossible.
You can see it on your own eyes and even follow the case along for days.
Scary thing. Is there anything to to add? Simply be aware of COVID! Wear masks! Follow orders, for your own good and others!

Well....


--

I have plenty of that. Paper is patient and there is no responsibility for words out there. What sources do you use to learn about what is going on?
For those interested there is an interview with Texas doctor, I recommend. He explains what is going on in Singapore and S.Korea (re media coverage vs reality). He treats COVID patients daily. Put some effort to find it if you wish to know bit more, shouldn't be hard to find as he was in local media in Texas.
Some mainstream news are so plainly stupid that you really wonder if people are really so filled with fear that no room for thought is left. Yesterday I read that it is suspected that in some cases virus attacks also human brain. I'm positive of that, I see it happens even before virus is contracted.

Couldn't resist.. :)

But being more serious. Please check info about dangers of wearing masks as a habit. There are more and more materials popping out and it is worse than I thought. I mean, do whatever you want to, but at least learn.

@Curtis, if I'm invited to your house I wear mask. I also wear tinfoil hat if you wish, so aliens can't harm you by controlling my brain, no problem.
@JoeA, masks do not protect you or others from COVID. They can slightly lower chance of contracting (not necessary getting ill) if a sick person sneezes into your face. This is fact. F a c t.

F A C T​
 
Last edited:
...masks do not protect you or others from COVID. They can...lower chance of contracting (not necessary getting ill) if a sick person sneezes into your face.

You're contradicting yourself here, unless you were being hyperbolic in the first sentence.
 
JoeA, not at all, there is no contradiction. Protection is different from lowering a chance, especially if the chance is lowered by tiny fraction.
In this case I'd be ok to write that masks have no protective effect, which is true in general, while offering slight partial protection (if you want call it this way) in rare cases where other person sneezes on your face from close distance, that's basically it.
In general: masks do not offer protection from virus, as I shown before. If you decide to ignore facts it is your choice. Just don't blame others for what you are doing.

Again, I can be wrong, but prefer to be proven wrong, not voted over.
 
hi Marcas
i am not news driven, i am facts driven
let´s talk about facts
Do you have any explanation for this huge difference in new infections in just ONE DAY ?
Germany: 378 (by RKI)
USA: 63.643 (by JHU) Update friday: 66.627
USA 4 times bigger population.
we talk about a difference of 4.209,19 %. And this is PERCENTAGE !
Wanna talk about deaths ?
ok. Here the facts.
Germany: 9.068
USA: 134.097
369,70 %.
And wait for the numbers in about 4-6 Weeks !
We don´t have better climate
we don´t have better religion
Our country is much smaller, USA is 28 times bigger, which should be bad for us because risk of getting infected is much higher.
 
Last edited:
here is a list of all studies they talked about and explained in a german podcast, some are preprint, others peer-reviewed, some are from Lancet etc., most in english, less in german, swedish etc.
And this is science, NOT news or videos or articles by any "Internet specialists", who never ever published anything in this specialist field in Lancet etc.. And i think i know, why they didn´t :cool:
this is just to tell Marcas, i am not news driven.

 
Top
Contact Us