The Last Opportunity to GET OUT!

Wayne

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The SWP/AWAKE models are projecting a horrific next few quarters. This rally is likely the last opportunity to get out of growth-sensitive assets like stocks. While we have solid momentum to the upside in the short term, vol correlations are picking up at the top end of the range, and a massive inversion in the yield curve... this translates into a bearish likelihood over the coming weeks. This is not the start of a new bull market!

I pray all of you are navigating this recession/depression well. We have a long road ahead after this bounce. #2022-2023 Inflationary Depression #Covid Bull Whip
 
I personally let my portfolios ( SWP / A.W.A.K.E. ) do what they do and my options (EtradingEDGE.com) do a really good job hedging in bear markets. As for my wife's 401K, I am getting her to remove the rest of her stock exposure today/tomorrow. I could be early and this bear market rally can go up higher, but the risks over the next quarters/year are significantly higher than the upside potential over the coming weeks.
 
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The Last time my models did this... Below.
I originally thought this was going to be a shallow recession eg. 2001, Now it has a high probability of turning into 1973/2008.

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I personally let my portfolios ( SWP / A.W.A.K.E. ) do what they do and my options (EtradingEDGE.com) do a really good job hedging in bear markets. As for my wife's 401K, I am getting her to remove the rest of her stock exposure today/tomorrow. I could be early and this bear market rally can go up higher, but the risks over the next quarters/year are significantly higher than the upside potential over the coming weeks.
How has your success been with etradingedge.com ? they appear pricy, are they worth it, and are the results as advertised ? How many trades do you have to place every day ? which of their products are worthwhile ?
 
How has your success been with etradingedge.com ? they appear pricy, are they worth it, and are the results as advertised ? How many trades do you have to place every day ? which of their products are worthwhile ?
Hi SujithK,

I am the co-creator of EtradingEdge. I converted the options trading style I do personally and have done for many years now. Great success and I have lived comfortably off my returns. Trades are no touch style and are activated 1.5 per month. All on SPX, we will work on other assets in the coming years. The risk management is the heart of the system. I took what I learned working at a fund trading options and compiled it into something that works for retail traders. The spots are limited and the pricing is a great deal and comparable in my opinion, but I am biased. I know it's not for everyone, if you are interested though we still have spots open.
 
The SWP/AWAKE models are projecting a horrific next few quarters. This rally is likely the last opportunity to get out of growth-sensitive assets like stocks. While we have solid momentum to the upside in the short term, vol correlations are picking up at the top end of the range, and a massive inversion in the yield curve... this translates into a bearish likelihood over the coming weeks. This is not the start of a new bull market!

I pray all of you are navigating this recession/depression well. We have a long road ahead after this bounce. #2022-2023 Inflationary Depression #Covid Bull Whip
Wayne,

I wonder what is your take on Inflation Reduction Act , which if passed, would return massive chunk of money back into economy. Would not it be a bullish push for stocks ?
 
Hi SujithK,

I am the co-creator of EtradingEdge. I converted the options trading style I do personally and have done for many years now. Great success and I have lived comfortably off my returns. Trades are no touch style and are activated 1.5 per month. All on SPX, we will work on other assets in the coming years. The risk management is the heart of the system. I took what I learned working at a fund trading options and compiled it into something that works for retail traders. The spots are limited and the pricing is a great deal and comparable in my opinion, but I am biased. I know it's not for everyone, if you are interested though we still have spots open.

Thanks for the input.

The SPX is a highly liquid instrument with tons of institutional investors, so trading in it for retail investors is not an issue.

Why do you say on your website, that the spots for new investors are limited ?
 
The Last time my models did this... Below.
I originally thought this was going to be a shallow recession eg. 2001, Now it has a high probability of turning into 1973/2008.

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Wayne, I'm curious how your models factor in the jobs numbers which were very positive today. Definitely a recession unlike any other.

Also through this bear market bounce, the market has definitely been climbing the so called wall of worry. IF SPX does manage to take out 4230, we will have retraced 50% off the cycle low. My understanding is that the market has never gone on to make a new cycle low after a 50%+ bear market rally retracement.
 
Wayne,

I wonder what is your take on Inflation Reduction Act , which if passed, would return massive chunk of money back into economy. Would not it be a bullish push for stocks ?
Notoriously attempting to subsidize anything reduces the price in the short term and increases the price in the long term. If we play it out... The government is the banker in monopoly. If the banker either gives every player 100 dollars or makes each hotel 100 dollars cheaper it allows more people to buy hotels. Now that everyone has the ability to buy a hotel they will. As more people have a hotel it makes it more expensive to move on the board. All prices go up.

If we truly want to support an industry or class of people we must regulate the maximum price or limit the cost to specific individuals without providing an injection of capital. This is a difficult or even impossible thing to do while maintaining a free market system. For example... the airline industry when it was regulated. We have had the pleasure in the US to offset our inflation with globalization and being the reserve currency. We are in a changing world, it will be harder to pass that on as competing payment systems arise. Governments will be forced to spend less and central banks will raise interest rates.

In short, governments spending money or reducing taxes is stimulative and inflationary. If we attempt to pass this along to high earners or businesses it will cause a deflation in assets. This is because wealthy people generally using their money to buy more assets. As more assets are purchased the inflation is translated only to assets and the money is removed from the CPI and can actually be deflationary. Give money to the general consumer, they buy consumables... those things get more expensive... inflation in CPI. This will push the Fed even harder and capital markets with it. One thing to keep in mind is the speed at which it will trickle through the economy. Monetary tightening is slower than spending. If the spending bill gets passed and efficiently gets distributed it will hit inflation in 3-6 months. If an electric car gets subsidized it lowers the cost, therefore, increasing the demand, as the demand pops the business will react by raising prices... more inflation =(

What the bill needs to be named is "We are attempting to redistribute capital and stimulate selective industries in order to grow them for the longer term success of the country, Inflation will be a good smoke screen for raising taxes after we spent too much bill". Demand destruction (recession, depression, reduction in population growth) or genuine growth (Internet boom, the industrial revolution, automation adoption, competitive advantage globalization) are the only things that fix inflation in the longer term. If they do succeed in higher taxes though, that can be extremely distructive to demand and the money supply. It starts with business and high earners... history repeats itself. We might be entering a new supercyle of taxation.

Remember the 40-50s when the US faced high inflation from soldiers coming home and dealling with super high deficits from the war?
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It always starts with the "Wealthy" and ends with the middle class...
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Just my thoughts about the mechanics. It's nice that the politicians are trying though. Higher taxes masquerading as stimulus bills will definitly kill demand and make the Feds job easier.
 

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Thanks for the input.

The SPX is a highly liquid instrument with tons of institutional investors, so trading in it for retail investors is not an issue.

Why do you say on your website, that the spots for new investors are limited ?
You are absolutely correct. The service might not be optimal for all traders and skill levels, this is why we interview applicants. We only want members that are going to be successful and can utilize the full potential of the system. On the note of volume, the service is designed with an indicator for the exact day of entry. With 5000 members all having 100k, plus future profits it is extremely easy to hit 500,000,000. Putting that much into strikes relatively close to one another will erode the edge to an extent. I have personally seen slippage grow in the SPX with ~50M trade sizes. For those reasons, we want to limit memberships so everyone will enjoy a long run of growing capital in this system. If things change in the spx and there is no feedback on slippage issues we will gladly ramp it up.
 
Since there are no adjustments is this basically a bet on probability and just close the trade based on a certain percentage gain or loss ?
To an extent yes! We designed each trade structure (~20 different structures in various expirations), and each has a different trade exit eg. position exits, profit/loss targets, DTE exits etc.
 
Wayne, I'm curious how your models factor in the jobs numbers which were very positive today. Definitely a recession unlike any other.

Also through this bear market bounce, the market has definitely been climbing the so called wall of worry. IF SPX does manage to take out 4230, we will have retraced 50% off the cycle low. My understanding is that the market has never gone on to make a new cycle low after a 50%+ bear market rally retracement.
Shorter-term (2-4 weeks) models are pushing more bullish as of this writing. Medium-term (3-6 months) got pushed very bearish now. Strong jobs pushes the Fed even further into a corner. Their mandate is for 2% inflation and full employment. Right now we have 9% inflation and the lowest unemployment in history. Stocks and bonds hit ~20% down and now commodities joined them. This was with the Fed not even making a dent in their targets. What will the rest of the move in interest rates and monetary tightening do? 95 Billion of selling pressure in SEP :eek:

Every bear market enjoys a hope bounce. This is the fastest monetary tightening in history, and the worst start of the year for the s&p in history as well, a big bounce is just what it needs to push down again. it wouldn't even surprise me to rally further. I hope we do! 9% inflation with a 20% dive in stocks is a 30% loss in purchasing power, which is a heavy correction so far. I have never seen this many red numbers on future projections though. True this quarter is a reprieve but wait until Q4 2022, Q1-Q2 2023. #Stage 3 "The Collapse"
 
Does the stock market have any correlation with the interest rate rise ?
I mean we are at the same interest level we were in 2018 when there was a big panic selling when the fed raised the rate by 0.25 but now that it raised it by 0.75 the market not only does not care it's actually going up and we are now at a much higher level in the stock market than we were then
 
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This is what the news will tell us. 1659806148901.png

What The truth is that is very correct when the growth is stong and the bond market is in a health contango. When we get an inversion all of that goes off the table. This is because credit spreads get squeezed. Lending dries up and money supply causes contraction in the economy, albiet not evenly. Its the curve more than the absolute rate. The higher the leverage and the higher the out the risk curve investors are will create a stronger pullback in assets.

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The reason why interest rates drop during recession is because we are attempting to stimulate. the econmy buy improving credit spreads and spur lending again to grow the money supply that is shrinking due to the economic collaps. This helps aggregate demand and sparks inflation during deflationary times. Ofcouse austarity and fiscal policies help as well, the monitary manipulation form the federal reserve is only one lever.
 
Why did it take 6 years of 0 interest stimulus from 2009 to 2015 before raising rates but it took only 2 years from 2020 to 2022 more recently
What was the difference ?

If the interest rate is back to pre pandemic levels any reason why the the market would not go down to the same level ?

Will the market keep going up regardless of interest rates or other bad news and just drop a quick 10-20% and than recover and move higher a few months later ?
Shorter-term (2-4 weeks) models are pushing more bullish as of this writing. Medium-term (3-6 months) got pushed very bearish now
What is the market waiting for ? Some technicals on the chart, the next interest rate hike , some negative comments from the fed ?

It seems to me that traders overreact to some negative announcements or data and sell all at once expecting the worst before anything happened and than when the fed is not raising the rates by as much as the market predicted than they buy the market back
Basically sell the rumor hard than buy the not so bad news

Sorry for asking too many questions it's just that the market doesn't make sense anymore. I mean what was the reason for selling some 350 points in SPX in 3 days with 2 gap down days only to be back at the same point less than 2 months later ? Did the interest rate or inflation got any better ?
Is that just irrational panic and exuberance ?
 
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> What is the market waiting for ?
What is the market waiting for ?
For everybody to get long.

Fundamental economic reasons are one thing. Market actions are the other.
Gov has many tools to create desired outcome that seems to contradict solid economic reasoning and common sense.
It can't last forever but can last long enough to confuse you a lot.
Whole speculation is based on that.

I agree with what Wayne is saying but it does not mean we crash right away to make all hedgers happy. ( But maybe we will... :) )
Water starts boiling at 100 C and freezes at 0 C. But water do can exist in liquid state in temperatures over 100 C and below 0 C. If that happens a small catalyst, tiny-tiny catalyst, can/will produce highly violent reaction. It does not mean temperature of overheated water can not increase or decrease couple degrees in meantime. Hard to tell when will trigger occur.
Maybe temp will gradually fall below 100 C ?
That's a possibility.
Highly unlikely but still a possibility.
 
Why did it take 6 years of 0 interest stimulus from 2009 to 2015 before raising rates but it took only 2 years from 2020 to 2022 more recently
What was the difference ?

If the interest rate is back to pre pandemic levels any reason why the the market would not go down to the same level ?

Will the market keep going up regardless of interest rates or other bad news and just drop a quick 10-20% and than recover and move higher a few months later ?

What is the market waiting for ? Some technicals on the chart, the next interest rate hike , some negative comments from the fed ?

It seems to me that traders overreact to some negative announcements or data and sell all at once expecting the worst before anything happened and than when the fed is not raising the rates by as much as the market predicted than they buy the market back
Basically sell the rumor hard than buy the not so bad news

Sorry for asking too many questions it's just that the market doesn't make sense anymore. I mean what was the reason for selling some 350 points in SPX in 3 days with 2 gap down days only to be back at the same point less than 2 months later ? Did the interest rate or inflation got any better ?
Is that just irrational panic and exuberance ?
What you are asking is very DEEP. I'll write about it in the weekly article and talk about it in the next SWP QA. In short, though, the initial stimulus wasn't enough in 2008 and the economic behavior of risk-off was more entrenched. At the same time business accounting switch to mark to mark. By doing this, as more assets fell businesses and banks had to report their value and adjust risks and loss of equity on the spot. It is like if someone were to ask you to lift your max lift in bench press when you are currently sick with the flu. It isn't representative of your max but that is how they are going to grade you. And based on that lift you are in the lowest class of competition. When this happened it sent a spiral of assets deflating.

As I have been stating though we do look to improve over the Q3 and Some of Q4. My models are changing as we speak. CPI will likely come in lower, possibly adding fuel to this rally in the possibility of the Fed slowing down their rate hikes. Models are based on the current projection of the rate of change. If the fed can slow down or even halt it means the current speed of the market's selling is overdone. Hence we have a rally. It's entirely possible for us to rally/stall for a few months right now as the data comes in and economics improve QOQ. Still, we are going to see YOY results significantly shrink on a GDP basis. It's a counter-trend move that will end with the collapse stage of recession in Q1-Q2 of 2023. #double dip
 
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